Why on earth is the sheriff/police chief in Parkland, Flourdah criticizing the school resource officer and other deputies?

Question

I have never seen coverage of a school shooting, where the cops went in guns blazing, to "engage the killer, kill the killer" That has NEVER happened. Isn't it police policy to wait outside until the shooting stops? Has there EVER been a case where cops shot the shooter in the school during the attack?

Answer 1

Recently became aware, from past answer to question on Y!A Law Enforcement,that on more than one occasion,most recently 2005(Castle Rock v. Gonzalez) that Supreme Court ruled there is nothing in the Constitution that requires cops to protect INDIVIDUAL citizens from physical harm/danger.Hard to believe when I read it, but Googled it afterwards and appears to be TRUE. Don't remember exact wording, but something to do with there

being an obligation to protect the "public good" or similar phrasing, but NOT individual citizens.Cops apparently are aware of such Supreme Court rulings, which is perhaps why in Parkland, Florida situation and others that we

hear of every so often,cops have NOT gone rushing into schools, private residences, etc., when the occupants have been under attack.Similar situation occurred in Cheshire, Connecticut (2007?)when local cops "set up perimeter" but remained outside for 1/2 hour while Petit mother/daughters were raped/killed and bodies set on fire inside house

Answer 2

That is just it. Nobody in America today has yet to see a police officer. They are getting fed up with what cops are in America.

Answer 3

Because their job is to protect the innocent and neutralize any potential threat. It's not their job to sit around and do nothing while innocent people were getting slaughtered, let alone it's already bad enough police in this country shoots 1,000 civilians or petty suspects yearly with no actual violent gunman at all. How come we can't excuse the fact police shoots unarmed civilians simply because they're afraid, but when the sh*t hits the fan like an actual violent gunman, we can excuse them? If anyone thinks that way, then they got their priority backward.



During the Columbine High School massacre, it was protocol that individual police officers wait outside and establish a perimeter while they wait for SWAT personnel in order to actually go in - at the time, it was treated as a hostage situation and no school shooting had an impact like the one Columbine has. Not anymore, it's now a protocol that individual officers arriving at the scene of an ongoing crime to immediately go in and kill the gunman in effort to prevent further innocent deaths rather than wait for backup. They have shotguns and bullet-proof vests in their cars for this reason.



The Florida deputies were given the duty to protect the innocent and they failed that kind of duty. They should live the rest of the days being a bunch of cowards they are while letting innocent people being slaughtered when you could have gone in earlier and make an actual difference.

Answer 4

with good reason.......because they failed to use an ounce of common sense or their exhaustive training.



No one expected them to run into a hail of bullets.....what a lame argument.



The school had dozens of entrances and exits..........you enter........work your way to the shooter, and hopefully get the drop on him.



At the least..........fire off a couple of blind wild shots, to let the shooter know you're on the scene, and people with guns of their own are now aiming at HIM.



he might have panicked and fled, or blown his own brains out like the Vegas shooter did when confronted.



by standing by and doing NOTHING..............you allowed the shooter to keep shooting, unfettered.



if ya don't have the GUTS to do the job.....then don't put on the badge and gun.



Those kids were COUNTING on their armed guard to do something............he did NOTHING as they were being gunned down.

Answer 5

In Sandy Hook shooting, I hear the guards were shot thru the wall. Do the new safe schools have bulletproof glass? What a joy to go to school nowadays. I don't blame them in FL for saving their skins. Most of those who denigrate them would do the same, especially Bone Spurs!!!!!

Answer 6

Reality is that it is foolish for someone with a handgun to go up against someone with an assault rifle. Everyone wants to blame someone. But it is unfair to blame that guy.

Answer 7

Do you really think it's their job to stand outside and allow more and more helpless kids to be killed? If so, why are they even there and why are they armed?

Answer 8

Official policy changed a few years back, one from waiting for backup/swat, to going in. That does not mean that this dept changed anything, or that they have had training on any of it. That is just the generalized policy changes that were put in place to try to limit the injuries to the student.

As far as this particular police chief is concerned, fr the descriptions I have heard about him, he s more politician the chef. That sort of goes along with throwing any and everyone else under the bus as opposed to looking at what his dept may have done wrong. It has been reported that as many as 30 incidents/checks/run ins, the police had with this kid.

Answer 9

You're right, the criticism is weird. Police are all trained to not respond. We train society to not act also. We are a sit on your hands and see what happens society, wait for a hero to come. We had a good run of a reasonably healthy society and now we feel entitled to it, there is going to be a learning curve.



The Vegas shooting shares a story of a select few law enforcement individuals that chose action and also shares most retreating. One man was trained in another country, they trained him to act not our system.

Answer 10

HNizzles You are referring to news coverage of situations after the news media has arrived, which is invariably long after the active shooter part of the incident is over. Be delusional somewhere else.



No, it is not policy to "wait". The police are SUPPOSED to stop the shooter. It is their duty, and the sheriff's deputies in FL failed to perform their duty.

Answer 11

Because it was their job to go in and save those children that died. Only a coward armed with a gun and a bullet-proof vest would wait outside to protect himself while the children he is supposed to protect are being killed.

Answer 12

Police don't generally run into active shooting situations, they wait for backup. Handgun vs AK=15 does not look good for the handgun holder. Hell, police often get backup for common traffic stops.



The most effective and cost effective way to reduce school shootings is not to put airport-level security screening at all school entrances; it is to keep guns out of the hands of children and others that would harm children.



As the argument goes, we put guards with guns in banks to stop thieves, so why not use that same strategy to protect our children? After all, we cherish these young lives far more than we do our bank deposits, don’t we?



There is a gut appeal to such an argument to be sure—and if only the facts agreed with it, it might be persuasive.



But they don’t. Indeed, the facts (and by “facts,” I mean the real facts) counter this line of reasoning.



Some research has shown that school cops can exacerbate the school-to-prison pipeline, a phenomenon in which students are pushed out of school and into the criminal justice system.



A 2013 report from the Congressional Research Service, produced as a response to the Sandy Hook shooting, indicated that children who had cops in schools might be more likely to face arrest for minor offenses. Research has not yet indicated that having a cop on campus decreases the possibility of a shooting.



We don’t talk enough about the downsides of having more police officers in schools, such as more school-based arrests for matters that should be handled in other ways.



The United States has about 5 percent of the world's population, but we have 25 percent of the world's prisoners - we incarcerate a greater percentage of our population than any country on Earth,

Answer 13

There has never been a case where a Copper WAS ON The scene While the shooting was active. This is a first, the usual procedure is for the Coppers to DRIVE SLOW so they can arrive after the shooting is over and the "Suspect" has committed "suicide"



This type of delay was common when Bar Fights occurred, the beat cops would wait until the fighters were worn out, and then move in to clean it up.



In an active shooter situation they are SUPPOSED to move in to quell the action.



Bring back the "Drop-Out" cops, these College Educated Slobs are overpaid and care for their own families more than the Public they are sworn and paid to "protect"

Remember when the Louisiana cops all went home to tend for their own lives...

These guys are paid 4 times the wages of their citizens, and Bug Out when something goes down.

Answer 14

The highly trained NYPD only hit the target an average 18% of the time in the field,,,,how many kids will die if officers start shooting back

Answer 15

No